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An Interview with René Cloërec

Stéphane Lerouge

On December 13, 1995, René Cloërec entered forever into the annals of cinema. A pioneer of film music, it didn't take long for his talent to be associated with the major productions and auteur films that have now become "classics" of the golden age of French cinema. Solicited by the leading directors of the time, he composed for René Clément (LE PERE TRANQUILLE), Jean Delannoy (DIEU A BESOIN DES HOMMES), Jean Dréville (LES CASSE-PIEDS, LA CAGE AUX ROSSIGNOLS) and, of course, for Claude Autant-Lara (LE DIABLE AU CORPS, LE ROUGE ET LE NOIR, LA TRAVERSEE DE PARIS, L'AUBERGE ROUGE, LA JUMENT VERTE). A prolific musician, he also worked for variety shows (with Edith Piaf), advertising and "Sons et Lumières". In order to pay tribute to him, we are publishing extracts from an interview conducted a few days before his death and recently published in the French magazine Notes. – Yves Taillandier

Is it true that you used to be a piano accompanist for films?
Yes, at the age of fifteen I started accompanying films during the last years of the silent era. At first, it was all about interpretation. Then, when I was alone, I let myself go to the pleasures of improvisation. But this was always guided by what was on the screen. A gesture, an attitude, a look and I adapted my music accordingly. In fact, I had to react spontaneously to the image. This work had a great influence on the way I approached film music a few years later. It taught me to be sensitive to what an image expresses, to look at a film properly, to know how to translate emotions, visible or invisible.

Advertising is also an important part of your musical activity...
Absolutely... Here too, it was a training exercise: you had to find simple, unchanging themes that were easy to remember. The product had to be associated with a striking melody that would strike the mind. I had to express something direct in a minimum of time. By subjecting myself to the constraint of duration, of timing, I assimilated a writing technique that was to serve me well for feature films. In the space of several years, I thus made more than a hundred advertising films and commercials, including that of Jean Mineur (which has lasted for more than fifty years!) and his competitor at the time, Cinéma et Publicité. It was funny because, unaware that I was the composer of both themes, the respective managers of the two rival agencies told me: "Tell me, the infantile theme is not that brilliant! Ours is much better!" - I smiled and agreed!

In 1945, SYLVIE ET LE FANTÔME, your second film with Autant-Lara, was a milestone in French film music: for the first time, a score was built around the sound of a solo instrument. How did this idea come about?
SYLVIE ET LE FANTÔME belongs to the French tradition of poetic fantasy. It is a modest and sensitive film about the passage to adulthood, the refusal to grow old, the fascination for dreams. From the start, we had to find a theme to characterise the ghost, played by Jacques Tati, a central character in the plot but completely mute. Autant-Lara had told me: "Be careful, it's not a ghost that scares you, but a ghost in love!" So I wrote a light, sentimental theme that I submitted to him right on the set, during the shooting. As there was no piano nearby, I whistled the theme to him. He immediately reacted with enthusiasm: "Great! But how are you going to orchestrate this?" Spontaneously, I answered: "I'd quite like to use a flute" and then, two seconds later, "Or even a pan flute, that would be more exotic!" The idea really came to me in a flash! At the time, giving a solo instrument the main role in a film score was something quite unusual! In any case, this unusual and distinctive timbre brought an extra touch of magic to the film. Like the ghost, the pan flute seemed to come from somewhere else, from far away; it reinforced its strange, shifted and unreal side, it isolated it from the living world. In a way, it became the inner voice of this otherworldly character unable to express himself. But my work on SYLVIE was not limited to that: the film has at least six or seven different themes. However, it was the pan flute above all that impressed the audience. Even today, when people talk to me about their memories of the film, they immediately sing or whistle the ghost theme to me. Fifty years later, I find that extremely touching!

During the twenty years of your work together, do you feel that you have developed a universe and explored it further from film to film?
Definitely! First of all, Autant-Lara used to plan his various projects well in advance. As a result, I was involved very early on in the artistic development of his films and that stimulated my musical creativity. Then, from film to film, I had the impression that I was deepening my creation, by tackling extremely varied styles and languages. I went from the waltz in DIABLE AU CORPS to the lament in L'AUBERGE ROUGE (performed by Yves Montand), not forgetting the piano concerto in LE MEURTRIER or the bourrée in LA JUMENT VERTE. In the film industry, successful collaborations are based on encounters of creators who continue to work together over a long period of time, trying to accomplish a body of work. I got to know Autant-Lara and his musical taste in terms of films. In return, he knew what he could ask of me. After eighteen films, we parted ways. I haven't seen him for thirty years.

In addition to Autant-Lara, you developed fruitful partnerships with other directors of the forties and fifties...
That' s true... I was fortunate to work with René Clément, Jean Delannoy, Henri Decoin or Jean Dréville, for whom I scored six films. I also met Henri Decoin on L’AFFAIRE DES POISONS, starring Danielle Darrieux and Paul Meurisse, which is a historical drama inspired by the famous scandal that rocked the court of Louis XIV. For the opening credits, I had written a theme that was majestic and very commanding. Decoin liked it but preferred a secondary theme, a little suspense, built on a repetitive melodic cell, intended for a black mass sequence. "This suspense is both unique and in the style of the film," Decoin told me. "What if we made it the opening credits?" The idea was amazing! I had to seize the opportunity: in a few minutes, I fleshed out this suspense by developing it, by opening it up to a disturbing chord. And Decoin was right! Because from the very beginning of the credits, this haunting theme sets up a mysterious and throbbing atmosphere. Moreover, shortly afterwards, I met Max Ophüls at the Boulogne Billancourt studios. He came to meet me and said: "I have seen L'AFFAIRE DES POISONS. Your music gives the film the suspense it is missing! I look forward to working with you on my next film." Unfortunately, this collaboration never took place; Ophüls died three months later.

Where did you go from 1965 onwards?
After I stopped composing for films, I wasn't unemployed! First of all, I turned to teaching music, running a conservatory for several years. I had the opportunity to work for television with Jean Dréville. In addition, one of my activities was the Sons et Lumières [Sounds and Lights] of the Loire castles: I composed the music for the shows at Azay-le-Rideau and Chenonceau. For the latter château, I took part in two successive Sons et Lumières: Au Temps des Dames de Chenonceau [The Times of the Ladys of Chenonceau], which has lasted for forty years, and Triomphe de Chenonceau [Triumph of Chenonceau], directed by Abel Gance. It was an exciting encounter with a form of entertainment that is different from film but just as demanding. We are walking a tightrope: we have to use our sensitivity to compose period themes without ever falling into an academic exercise in style or an offhand pastiche.

What do you think of all these years spent working in the visual arts?
Without being too self-indulgent, I must admit that I am very happy to have worked for cinema, which is the ideal setting for a composer today. I was introduced to very different worlds, I met amazing personalities, from Gabin to Bourvil, from Autant-Lara to Errol Flynn, for whom I composed the music for THE TAVERN OF NEW ORLEANS, an American production filmed in France, at the Victorine. I still remember Flynn's voice when he said to me in his strong American accent; "Rinaye (René), you should come with me to Hollywood!" But I was too much devoted to my country, to my culture, to expatriate myself... During all those years, I put my capabilities into a passionate, all-consuming field, without ever delegating anything. Not for a moment was there any question of having my music orchestrated and conducted by someone else. I was fully committed, with passion and humbleness. Because of my musical education and the people I've met, I think I have the nature of a symphonist. That said, when I had to write in a style close to jazz, I had no problem with it. Today, I am touched when people tell me that I have a recognisable style, a personal, characteristic writing... I want to believe that my music is linked by a common sensitivity. Because what I wrote really came from the heart.

An Interview with René Cloërec by Stéphane Lerouge


Originally published in Soundtrack Magazine Vol.15, No.57, 1996


Text reproduced by kind permission of the editor, Luc Van de Ven

by Pascal Dupont 10 May, 2024
Charles Allan Gerhardt English version adapted by Doug Raynes - FRENCH VERSION AND COLLECTION had a reputation as a great conductor, record producer and musical arranger. His major work at RCA on the Classic Film Scores series earned him recognition from film music devotees of Hollywood’s Golden Age, as well as other renowned conductors of his day. Born on February 6, 1927 in Detroit, Michigan, Charles Gerhardt developed a passion for music and percussion instruments from an early age. At the age of five, he took piano lessons, and by the age of nine, had established a solid reputation as an orchestrator and composer. He spent his early school years in Little Rock, Arkansas, then after 10 years, having completed his schooling, moved with his family to Illinois for his military duties, he served in the U.S. Navy during World War II as a chaplain's aide in the Aleutian Islands, then became an active member of the Veterans of Foreign Wars. He went on to study at the University of Illinois, at the College of William and Mary, and later at the University of Southern California. Throughout his time at school Gerhardt was attracted not only to music, but also to the sciences. Passionate about the art of recording, he joined Westminster Records for five years, until the company ceased operations, and then joined Bell Sound. One day, he received a phone call from George Marek to meet with the heads of Reader's Digest, to discuss producing recordings for their mail-order record business; a contact that was to secure his musical future and a rich career spanning more than 30 years. Gerhardt's first job for Reader's Digest was to produce a record; “A Festival of Light Classical Music”; a 12 LP box set that he produced in full. One of Gerhardt's finest projects was the production of another 12 LP box set, “Les Trésores de la Grande Musique (Treasury of Great Music)”, featuring the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by some of the leading figures of the day: Charles Munch to Bizet and Tchaikovsky, Rudolf Kempe to Strauss and Respighi, Josef Krips to Mozart and Haydn, Antal Dorati to Strauss and Berlioz, Brahms 4th Symphony by Fritz Reiner and Sibelius’ 2nd Symphony by Sir John Barbirolli. In the 1950s he conducted works by Vladimir Horowitz, Wanda Landowska, Kirsten Flagstad and William Kapeli. In the early 1960s, Gerhardt lived in England, where he made most of his recordings, but kept a foothold in the United States, mainly in New York. Often, when he went to the United States after a period of recording sessions, he would stop off in Baltimore and spend some time listening to cassettes of his new recordings. Gerhardt loved percussion instruments, especially tam-tams. One of his favorite recordings was the Columbia mono disc of Scriabin's Poem of Ecstasy, with Dimitri Mitropoulos and the New York Philharmonic. He had great admiration and respect for the many conductors he worked with, starting with Arturo Toscanini, with whom he worked for several years before the Maestro's death. It was Toscanini who suggested that Gerhardt become a conductor, which he did! His career as an orchestra director began when he had to replace a conductor who failed to show up for rehearsals. It was a position he would later occupy for various recording sessions and occasional concerts. His classical recordings include works by Richard Strauss, Tchaikovsky, Wagner, Ravel, Debussy, Walton and Howard Hanson. Hired by RCA Records, he transferred 78 rpm recordings of Enrico Caruso and other artists to 33 rpm. He took part in recordings by soprano singer Kirsten Flagstad and pianist Vladimir Horowitz. He worked with renowned conductors such as Fritz Reiner, Leopold Stokowski and Charles Munch, from whom he learned the tricks of the trade. Still at RCA, he assisted Arturo Toscanini, with whom he perfected his conducting skills. Then, in 1960, he produced recordings for RCA and Reader’s Digest in London, and joined forces with sound engineer Kenneth Wilkinson of Decca Records (RCA's European subsidiary), The two men got on very well and shared a passion for recording and sound quality, making an incredible number of recordings over a 30-year period. Also in 1960, RCA and Reader's Digest entrusted him with the production of a 12-disc LP box set entitled “ Lumière du Classique (A Festival of Light Classical Music) ”, sold exclusively by mail order. With a budget of $250,000, Gerhardt assumed total control of the project: repertoire, choice of orchestras and production. He recorded in London, Vienna and Paris, and hired such top names as Sir Adrian Boult, Massimo Freccia, Sir Alexander Gibson and René Leibowitz. The success of this project, in terms of both musical quality and sound, earned him recognition from his employers. Other projects of similar scope followed… A boxed set of Beethoven's symphonic works with René Leibowitz and The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra. A boxed set of Rachmaninoff's works for piano and orchestra with Earl Wild, Jascha Horenstein and the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, the above mentioned 12 LP disc set “Trésor de la Grande Musique (Treasury of Great Music)” with the Royal Philharmonic conducted by some of the greatest directors of the time: Fritz Reiner, Charles Munch, Rudolf Kempe, Sir John Barbirolli, Sir Malcolm Sargent, Antal Dorati and Jascha Horenstein, with whom Gerhardt had sympathized. In January 1964 in London, Gerhardt joined forces with Sidney Sax, instrumentalist and conductor, to form a freelance orchestra. This successful group went on to join the National Philharmonic Orchestra of London, an impressive line-up that would later become Jerry Goldsmith's orchestra of choice. With Peter Munves, head of RCA's classical division, he conceived the idea of recording an album devoted exclusively to the film music of Erich Wolfgang Korngold, one of his favorite composers. Enthusiastic about the project, Munves gave Gerhardt carte blanche, and was offered a helping hand by George Korngold, producer and son of the famous Viennese composer, who owned all the copies of his father's scores. The Adventure Began : The Sea Hawk: Classic Film Scores of Erich Wolfgang Korngold. For this first disc, Gerhardt selected 10 scores by Korngold, which he recorded in the Kingsway Hall Studio in London, renowned for its excellent acoustics. The disc thus benefits from optimal recording conditions, favoring at the same time the performances of the National Philharmonic (and its leader, Sidney Sax), a formidable orchestra made up of London's finest musicians and freelance soloists. Each album was recorded in the same studio, with Kenneth Wilkinson as sound engineer and George Korngold as consultant/producer. As soon as it was released, the album's success received strong acclaim in classical music circles and received a feature in Billboard No. 37, a first in this category in December 1972. It took no less than a year to sell the first 10,000 copies in all the specialist record suppliers and the album went on to sell over 38,000 copies, making it the fifth best-selling album in the “classical” category in 1973. On the strength of this success, Peter Munves and RCA entrusted Charles Gerhardt with the production of further discs devoted to other world-renowned composers of Hollywood music. The program includes several albums dedicated to Max Steiner and Erich Wolfgang Korngold plus one each to Miklos Rozsa, Franz Waxman, Dimitri Tiomkin and Bernard Herrmann, followed by 3 volumes associated with specific film stars such as Bette Davis, Errol Flynn and Humphrey Bogart. Then, a disc devoted to Alfred Newman, a composer who was a pillar of the famous Hollywood sound, who Gerhardt admired and had met: “Newman was a charming man, full of good humor. He was friendly, fun and always had a joke. With his eternal black cigar in hand, he was a composer by trade, down-to-earth, discussed little about himself but was a first-rate advisor in my life. “ Gerhardt would consult certain composers in advance about how to recreate suites from their works, or when this wasn't possible, he would rearrange the suites himself and submit them to the composers for approval. "Some critics complained that my suites were too short, but my aim in the case of each album was to present a well-split 'portrait' of the composer, highlighting his many creative facets". Although Korngold, Newman and Steiner were no longer around to lend their support, Gerhardt was lucky enough to still work with Herrmann, Rózsa and Tiomkin as consultants who turned up at the recording studio to lend a hand. Gerhardt also had the idea of creating albums focusing on a single film star. Three specific volumes were devoted to music from the films of Humphrey Bogart, Errol Flynn and Bette Davis. Although these albums suffer from too great a diversity of genres, they still offer the chance to hear and discover rare and previously unpublished compositions. The best conceived album was arguably the one devoted to Bette Davis. Conscious of the important role played by music in her films, the legendary actress took part in the conception of the album, knowing that it favored scores by Max Steiner designed for Warner Bros. The Collection Begins ! Gerhardt's passion for certain composers knows no bounds, but he soon envisages a disc devoted to Miklos Rozsa, including suites for “Spellbound” and “The Red House”, one of his favorite scores, which he will exhume to create one of the longest suites in the series. At the same time, he received various fan wish lists and films to watch, such as “The Four Feathers”, which he had never seen and which gave him the opportunity to discover a splendid score by Miklos Rozsa that he had never heard before. He was disappointed, however, not to be able to conceive a longer “Spellbound” sequel for rights reasons. Despite RCA's full approval, Gerhardt realized that it was not easy to record film music in its original form, as few were ever edited, played and made available for rental. For The Sea Hawks album, things were simpler, as Georges Korngold had copies of his father's scores, and Warner Bros had also archived material in good condition. From the outset, Gerhardt encountered other major problems in the search for and discovery of scores hidden away in other studios, often with the unpleasant surprise of discovering missing or incomplete conductors, or others heavily modified by orchestrators during recording sessions, or the surprise of discovering, in certain cases, instrumentation information noted in shorthand on the edges of the conductor score. For the disc dedicated to Max Steiner, for example, the conductor score for “King Kong” had disappeared from the RKO archives, having been shipped in 1950 to poorly maintained warehouses in Los Angeles where it had become totally degraded and illegible. With the help of Georges Korngold, Gerhardt was able to reconstruct a substantial suite from the piano models left by Steiner at the time. This experience was repeated when the conductor score for Dimitri Tiomkin's “The Thing” was discovered in the same warehouse, in an advanced state of disintegration. Fortunately for Gerhardt, Tiomkin, who was still alive, had been able to provide precise piano maquettes with orchestration information in shorthand, revealing a complex and highly innovative style of writing. Tiomkin always composed at the piano, inscribing very specific information and signs on the edges of the scores in pencil, an ingenious system of his own invention that was difficult to decipher. “Revisiting the score of ‘The Thing from Another World’ was a complex task, involving experimental passages and an unorthodox orchestra. You can understand that I had a huge job on my hands. When I approached the recording sessions, it was not without some trepidation. However, the composer present made no criticism or comment on my work, and was delighted. He was delighted.” For “Gone With The Wind”, Steiner was against the idea of remaking a complete soundtrack, as he felt that too many passages were repeated. It was an opportunity for him to revisit his own score, integrating his favorite melodies. This synthesis gave him the opportunity to revitalize his music by eliminating the least interesting parts of the score. Conceived as long suites or isolated themes, the discs reflect the essence of the composers' work. The “Classic Film Scores” series by Franz Waxman, Bernard Herrmann and Miklos Rozsa etc will become a big hit with collectors. For Gerhardt, this will be an opportunity to unearth forgotten or rare scores such as Herrmann's “The White Witch” and “On a Dangerous Ground”, Hugo Friedhofer's “The Sun Also Rises” and early recordings for Waxman's “Prince Valliant” and Rozsa's “The Red House”, all with new, impeccable acoustics. For “Elisabeth and Essex”, Erich Korngold had already prepared a suite in the form of an Overture, which was given its world premiere in a theater. The suite for “The Adventures of Robin Hood” also pre-existed. Franz Waxman created his own suite for “A Place in the Sun”, which was also performed in concert. Dimitri Tiomkin, Miklos Rozsa and Bernard Herrmann acted as consultants and contributed arrangements to their scores. For the continuation of “White Witch Doctor”, Bernard Herrman added percussion to link the different musical tableaux. He did the same for the different parts of “Citizen Kane”. Miklos Rozsa saw an opportunity to add a male choir to the suite from “The Jungle Book”, based on an idea by Charles Gerhardt. For the record dedicated to Errol Flynn, Gerhardt re-orchestrated the theme “The Lights of Paris” from Hugo Friedhofer's “The Sun also Rises”, as the original was no longer available. “I wanted to go back to that time and systematically explore the very substance of the great film scores of the late 30s and 40s, sending them back directly to their images as dramatic entities. The desire to rediscover tunes we know and to take into account the contexts in which they were originally used. I decided to recreate these scores with their original orchestrations, and this could only be done by returning to the ultimate sources, as the composers had originally conceived them.” Keen to open up the collection to other genres, such as science fiction, Gerhardt dedicated two further albums to the series in 1992. The first featured contemporary sequels to “Star Wars” and “Close Encounters of the Third Kind”, promoting the work of John Williams, a leading composer of new film music. Then another called “The Spectacular World of Classic Film Scores”, presenting a disappointing compilation of scores that had already been recorded, except for the creation of a sequel to Dimitri Tiomkin's “The Thing From Another World” and Daniele Amfitheatrof's rarely heard theme “Dance of the Seven Voiles” from Salome. In 1978, the collection was published in Spain by RCA Cinema Treasures. In the USA and Europe, the Classic Film Scores LP series was reissued in the early 80s with a black art deco cover and colored star index. All Volumes in the First Series Were Reissued : By the end of the '80s, the series was running out of steam, and Charles Gerhardt planned to relaunch his collection with albums dedicated to famous American actresses, a new volume for Max Steiner and the Western, a volume reconstructing the score of Waxman's “The Bride of Frankenstein”, followed by volumes devoted to Alex North, Hugo Friedhofer, Victor Young and Elmer Bernstein... But RCA would not support Gerhardt in these projects, preferring to release the collection on CD for the first time. In early 1990, RCA asked Gerhardt to supervise and co-produce the collection, which he saw as an opportunity to revisit some of the volumes, inserting tracks that had not appeared on the LPs or extending certain suites. The volume devoted to Franz Waxman, “Sunset Boulevard”, was the first to be released. The CD did not benefit from any particular promotion, but sold very well, as did the other CDs that followed... A collection marked by a new design in silver pantone. The CDs series was reissued in 2010, still under the RCA Red Seal label, but distributed by Sony Music Entertainment. RCA Victor's Classic Films Scores series represents a unique collection in the history of film music recordings. 14 recordings of rare quality, produced by Georges Korngold and Charles Gerhardt to become one of the revelations of the reissue phenomenon. Other Concepts... Later, Gerhardt spent most of his time in London, continuing to make recordings. After retiring from RCA in 1986, he returned to independent work for Readers Digest and other record labels, a position he held in production and musical supervision until 1997. Since 1991 he had lived in Redding, California. In later years, he did not appear professionally, refusing all public invitations because of his desire to remain discreet. In his entourage he was close to three cousins, Lenore L Engel and Elizabeth Anne Schuetze, both living in San Antonio, and cousin Steven W Gerhardt of St. Pete Beach, Florida. In late November 1998 Charles Gerhardt was diagnosed with brain cancer and died of complications following surgery on February 22, 1999. He was 72 years old. Thus ends this tribute to Charles Gerhardt and the most famous collection of film music records: The Classic Film Scores series.
by Doug Raynes 24 Jan, 2024
Following on from Tadlow’s epic recording of El Cid, the same team – Nic Raine conducting and James Fitzpatrick producing – have turned their attention to a completely different type of epic film for the definitive recording of Ernest Gold’s Academy Award winning score for Otto Preminger’s Exodus (1960). The score is something of a revelation because aside from the main theme, the music has received little attention through recordings. Additionally the sound quality of the original soundtrack LP was disappointing and much music was deleted or cut from the film.
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